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Post by MAG22 on Mar 12, 2013 10:16:25 GMT -5
Very interesting comments from Homer regarding moves. This is from an article in the Daily News. Sound as if he is giving the coach a pass, but the Flyers are not known as "Lyers" for nothing
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Post by ganryu on Mar 12, 2013 19:17:09 GMT -5
lol - not exactly a ringing endorsement for coach jam
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Post by dman1200 on Mar 15, 2013 7:10:40 GMT -5
Here is my thing about firing Lavy. Ok, so you fire him, who is going to come in and replace him and get better results? Reason I ask this is because we always have issues with the players not being motivated to play on a nightly basis regardless of who the coach is. We've had this same issue with the players with just about every coach we bring in. Doesn't matter what their demeanor is. Always the answer is fire the coach, fire the coach. When are we going to start holding some of these players accountable for not getting up and trying to earn their paycheck every game? The coach can only do so much, he can't go out there and play the game for these guys. For some reason I think Scotty Bowman would be hard pressed to get these jerkoffs motivated on some nights. If the players are constantly tuning out the coaches after every couple of years regardless of who is coaching here, that speaks volumes about the players and the lack of leadership being displayed by the FO. Why is it nobody is talking about Homer's head being on the chopping block so to speak. He is the one that keeps assembling these rosters and yet he constantly gets a free pass. He is the one that keeps handing out these abysmal contracts to mediocre and above avg at best talent. He is the one that keeps acquiring all these head cases. He is the one that has little to no clue about draft picking and managing a salary cap.
Fire all the coahes you want, nothing will change until the leadership up top changes and it trickles down to the players. We have fired coaches, we have turned over the roster several times in Homer's tenure. The one constant over the last few years has been him. Hhhhhmmmmmmm!!!!!
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Post by dman1200 on Mar 15, 2013 7:12:04 GMT -5
Oh and if the space cadet isn't replaced at seasons end, you can forget about me giving a shit about this team for a while anyway. He has to be the biggest FA bust of all time. He wants to complain about how the fans treat him when he makes all that money and sucks. What did you expect dumbshit?
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Post by ganryu on Mar 15, 2013 11:16:25 GMT -5
Dman - majority of the blame here falls squarely on on coach jam. upper management went to him over the summer and asked him to change up his system and play a more defensive game. the guy has failed to do it and outside of one game against TB this year we have not seen them play that way. too much D jumping up on the play, forwards don't know when to go back and assist and cover, and too much confusion out there. the effort on most nights is there. outside of the team continually having slow starts, again a coaching issue.
for the time being bring Terry Murray in and wait until the summer and see what's out there, if anything it would give Murray a partial season to work on the D, which is something he was always good with.
not to be outdone is Homer assembling such a slow defensive core. even Coburn doesn't skate like he use to, or even use his brain for that matter. the only D that has actually been a bright spot for us is Schenn and Grossmann
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Post by 88 on Mar 16, 2013 19:59:01 GMT -5
and toughness is always an issue with a coach jam team
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Post by hextall8687 on Mar 18, 2013 19:39:22 GMT -5
ganryu, I see your point. last year we got rid of carle and needed a dman. we got gervais. we knew bryz was a head case and needed a back up. we get leighton and later signed boucher. Sorry thats not going to cut it. For some reason Holmgren refuses to draft better defenseman and develop goaltending prospects.
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Post by hextall8687 on Mar 18, 2013 19:40:31 GMT -5
I am not saying to fire either of them. They both need to step up. But most importantly the players have to hold themselves accountable
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Post by dman1200 on Mar 19, 2013 9:37:53 GMT -5
Gan:
If Lavy is going to be shown the door then so should Homer IMO. Start the damn thing over. Why should Homer get a pass when he assembled the last several rosters? The man traded Richards and Carter and both men went on to win a SC with another team and we all thought they were the problem. Just saying. He gets a free pass for bringing in slow crappy ass dmen with no upside. Lavy has won a SC with another team and took this team to the finals. You want to fire him, go ahead, but I don't see too many coaches that will make much of a difference here.
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Post by MAG22 on Mar 19, 2013 10:15:26 GMT -5
^^^^^ Agreed. That said, Homer tries. He's aggressive. If he was able to land Weber, or Suter or Parise, then it may be a different season. Richards and Carter needed a kick in the ass. They weren't doing it here. It was unfortunate but Homer probably did both of them a favor by trading them and waking them up. I am not saying Homer hasn't made his mistakes, but I think he's done more good than bad.
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Post by Tags27 on Mar 19, 2013 16:08:39 GMT -5
Dman - majority of the blame here falls squarely on on coach jam. upper management went to him over the summer and asked him to change up his system and play a more defensive game. the guy has failed to do it and outside of one game against TB this year we have not seen them play that way. too much D jumping up on the play, forwards don't know when to go back and assist and cover, and too much confusion out there. the effort on most nights is there. outside of the team continually having slow starts, again a coaching issue. for the time being bring Terry Murray in and wait until the summer and see what's out there, if anything it would give Murray a partial season to work on the D, which is something he was always good with. not to be outdone is Homer assembling such a slow defensive core. even Coburn doesn't skate like he use to, or even use his brain for that matter. the only D that has actually been a bright spot for us is Schenn and Grossmann If they bring in Murray now he'll likely be here to start the season. No thanks. Are we blaming Holmgren for Coburn having a bad year? I'm all for assigning blame for where it belongs but it's starting to look like Homer needed a crystal ball to predict what you're complaining about. Is he at fault for Briere too?
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Post by 88 on Mar 19, 2013 18:29:37 GMT -5
don't want murray as coach been there done that
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Post by ganryu on Mar 19, 2013 18:55:01 GMT -5
agree, I want Homer gone as well, he certainly deserves as much of the blame for this but at this point it doesn't matter who the coach is. while I wouldn't mind Murray taking over for a short time I would rather see him as an assistant and working with the D again. for now keeping coach jam is for the best because they will continue to suck and we are bound to get a top 5 pick!
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Post by 88 on Mar 19, 2013 22:38:27 GMT -5
agreed
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Post by MAG22 on Mar 20, 2013 6:12:36 GMT -5
agree, I want Homer gone as well, he certainly deserves as much of the blame for this but at this point it doesn't matter who the coach is. while I wouldn't mind Murray taking over for a short time I would rather see him as an assistant and working with the D again. for now keeping coach jam is for the best because they will continue to suck and we are bound to get a top 5 pick! So you want to get rid of a GM who has the balls try to land one of the top defenseman in Shea Weber or throws out a shit load of money for Parise and Suter. Is it his fault Parise and Suter decided to turn down more money to play in MN and the Preds had no choice but to match the offer sheet to Weber. I'm not saying Homer hasn't made his mistakes, but he's done more good than bad over the course of his tenure. The biggest problem with this organization is patience, or lack thereof. He was pressured into getting Bryz by the owner. You get rid of Homer, do really think they are going to bring in an outside guy like Brian Burker? Probably not, they promote from within. I'd rather keep Holmgren.
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